. >> i think this is something that as we look alt what we'll do and the debt ceiling and president obama says funding this development program is the same importance to our national government. as paying the interest on our national debt. and, look, the contribution is a couple hundred million dollars a year and the system is 8 billion dollars a year, but one can ask, what do you want to spend our money on. do we want to bring the debt down or continue to fund some of these programs which, as this report indicates, you can't prove they're effective. >> greta: i think if-- i mean, it's one thing that's funded if you know it's effective and helping people. it's another thing to know that it sort of gets lost in the shuffle and no idea where it went. >> i think we've got to prioritize, i favor, if we're going to use foreign economic assistance i'd do it bilaterally, i think the u.s. gets a bigger bang for the buck than the u.n. >> greta: thank you. and a bizarre train crash in sweden, not just any crash, this commuter train was hijacked. the cleaning woman says she dieded to take the train